日本で無名の選手ばかり？
でも、そんなの関係ねー
やっぱ、ヨーロッパが華だよね
でも、そんなの関係ねー
今年のバロンドール受賞者がいない？
でも、そんなの関係ねー
ミランには、ブラジル選手が７人もいる、って？
でも、そんなの関係ねー
おいおい、アルヘンティーナのチームじゃないか…
でも、そんなの関係ねー
クラブは金持ってない
でも、そんなの関係ねー
サポーターも貧乏くさい
でも、そんなの関係ねー
リケルメがプレーしないんじゃあ…
でも、そんなの関係ねー
いったい何時間かけて日本にくるんだよ?
でも、そんなの関係ねー
イケメンいないの？
でも、そんなの関係ねー
実は、マラドーナを輩出したクラブではない
でも、そんなの関係ねー
ミランにはパットがいるってのに？
でも、そんなの関係ねー
そんなの関係ねー、そんなの関係ねー
ははは
南米最強！南米最強！
南米を代表するなら、どこの国だろうが、関係ねー
応援するぞー！！南米サポ最高！
ヨーロッパ負けろ！金満サッカー負けろ！
南米最強！南米最強！
「南米最強」が一般常識だと思ってるVentです。
私の辞書には「欧州最強」なんて言葉ありません。
今回のクラブW杯、もちろん南米代表ボカを応援してますよ。
にしても、なんか最近友達が自分に言ってる言葉ばかりですなｗ
日本で欧州リーグばかりやってるせいか、友達ほとんどが口揃えて「欧州が1番」とか言ってますよ。
大体欧州チームは南米選手のおかげで強いって言っていいぐらいなのに、それで欧州が一番とか言うのはおかしい気がしてなりません。
今日本人に好かれてる欧州チームから南米選手抜いたら、一気に弱くなるチームばかりでしょうし。
南米知らん癖に南米が弱いような言い方されるのには腹が立ちますよ。
リケルメのような選手を飼殺しにするチームのある欧州のどこがいいんだか。
そういえばブラジルのサッカーの話になるんですが、なんかGloboサイトにMercadoの情報が一気に見れるページが出来ていました。
（知ってたらすいません）
http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Home/0,,5375,00.html
現時点で目についたのはFlamengoにクレベルソンが来ることくらいですかね。
Ventさん こんにちは！
欧米最強。うーん欧米チーム最強ならなっとくはできますがやはり選手層でしたらやはら南米最強ですね。
リケルメ今回でれなくて本当に残念です。南米のうまい選手がなんらかの形でヨーロッパでうまくいかないのを見ると本当にくやしいですね。
Mercadoの情報ですが、浦和のWashington、Fluminenseに来ます。Fluminenseは来年のリベルタドーレスに向けてチーム作りに力をいれています。
後サンパウロのBrenoがドイツへいきました。やはりバイエルンにいってしまうのか。
サンパウロはBotafogoのDF、Juninhoを獲得。同じBotafogoへレンタルしていたDF、Alexも復帰。これで来年のDF陣も大丈夫！
Felipeは給料を８０％あげてもらったがそれでもサブキーパー（Marcelo)よりは低い、って事で給料アップ拒否。コリンチャンスと代理人が交渉中。早くもゴタゴタが。。。
普通にいったら絶対南米のほうが強いですよ、サッカーは。
過去のトヨタカップの勝敗を見ても圧倒的に南米が勝っていた。
それがある時期から南米のいい選手がドンドンヨーロッパに
流出するようになってからヨーロッパチームが勝つように
なった。自分の記憶だと南米８勝とヨーロッパ４勝か５勝ぐらいで南米が圧倒的に勝っていた記憶があります。ジーコのフラメンゴとか
その後のチームぐらいまでは南米圧倒的有利だった。
でも最終的には、10勝10敗の対ぐらいでトヨタカップは終わり
クラブワールドカップになったんですよね。(間違っていたらすいません）。だから正直トヨタカップでヨーロッパ対南米と言われてもピンときません。だってヨーロッパの主力選手皆南米の選手ですから。そう言う意味では国別のワールドカップの方が楽しいです。
トヨタカップもジーコが出ていたフラメンゴの頃は、本当に南米対ヨーロッパと言う感じで面白かったです。
ジーコファンさん、
本当にジーコ大好きなんですね。僕も好きですよ。でもどっちかって言うとマラドーナの方が好きかな？
うーん、右からジーコ、左からマラドーナならなっとくかな？（笑）。
本当に今サッカーはグローバルですからピンときません。
ま、ドイツはまあまあとしてもスペインやイングランドのチームなんかはスペイン人、イングランド人なんてほぼいませんもんね。
だからワールドカップでも優勝はこの頃遠いですね。
Ｍjunozaki様
すいません。何か書こうとするとジーコの事も書いてしまうんです。(笑い）
マラドーナほんとに凄い選手ですよね。
でもやはり私の中では、ジーコなんですよ。（笑い）
全盛時のプレーを見てから頭からあのプレーがはなれません。
ウディネーゼの時の録画も昔たまたま見るきかいあって見たのですが正直圧倒されました。なんで強いクラブを選ばなかったのか。
不思議と言うか、ジーコらしいです。
それとやはり私はカナリヤ軍団のユニホームが好きで、
そのユニホームを着てペレから受け継いだ１０番を付けたジーコが
攻撃陣を引っ張る。もうたまりません。ある意味典型的なブラジルの10番タイプだと思います。ほんとにワールドカップで1度でも優勝させてあげたかったです。
またまた余計な事を書いてしまいました。すいません。
ジーコファンさん、
日本語間違ってますよ ＝様はないでしょう。。。(笑）
ジーコｘマラドーナ、ま、比べ始めたらきりがないんであんまりつっこみませんが。。ブラジルではいつもマラドーナｘペレがたびたび話題になるんでどうしてもマラドーナが上って見えてしまうんです、すいません（笑）
もちろんジーコも次元が違う選手なのには納得しますけどね。どれもこれもホント歴史に残るすばらしい選手ですよね。
ロナウジーニョ、カカー、フィーゴなどは結局２年、３年程度でピークがすぎ、その後はすばらしいと言えるプレーはみれませんでしから。。特に最近のロニーくんは見ていてキツイですしね。
５年ぐらい前にPlacar誌がペレのスペシャルエディションをだし買いましたが、あれを読んで、昔のペレのプレーを見ると彼がナンバーワンでしょう。キックの制度は右、左良し、ヘディング良し、ドリブルよし、タフさ良し、スピード、ボールコントロールと。。凄いです。
その後にマラドーナ、ジーコかな、僕のイメージでは。
でそのホンのちょっと後にクライフか？うーんどうかな。。。
ジーコ、もう少し勉強してみます。(笑）
いやあ、ボカ勝ちましたね。
展開の少ない試合だった気がしましたが、ボカのバルガス（インテルＶ選手）が退場になってから、とたんに、ボカの実力が発揮されたというか、
ボカの選手は、サッカーの奥深さ知ってるね。あのバネガって、リベルタドーレス杯の決勝でも良いなと思いましたが、まだ19歳…
一押しは、右サイドのイバラ。サッカーの「酸いも甘いも」知っているタイプだね、ありゃあ。
ボカ、決勝でも、手堅くいきそう。
Ｍjunozakiさん すいません（様ではなくさん付けにさせて頂きます）(笑い）
さっそくご意見を頂きありがとうございます。
ジーコとマラドーナの比較ついては、私も色々意見がありますが・
人それぞれでいいと思います。(笑）2人ともそのぐらい凄い選手だったと言う事で。ただタイプは少しちがいますが。
ただジーコに足りないのは、ワールドカップの優勝ですね。
ペレもマラドーナも取ってますからね。
８２年イタリアに負けてベスト８止まりになりましたが
あの試合はイタリアの反則と審判にやられたような物でした。
現代のサッカーでしたら確実に伊の２人ぐらいはレッドカード退場ですよ。
イタリアが優勝したと言っても、あの汚い試合では祝福する気にも
なりませんでした。
このブログに来られる方々は本当に南米通でサッカーに対して深い見識を持っておられる方が多く覗くのを楽しみにしています。
これからもＭjunozakiさん、フッチさんよろしくお願いします。
あ、そうそうボカ・ジュニアーズ勝ちました。まあ勝ってあたりまえでしょうけど。ミランとどういう試合をするのか楽しみです。
あ、その前に浦和に勝ってもらって浦和とボカが決勝なんてね・・・・・それはないか。
Mjunozakiさん
やはりBlenoは動くんですか。
ほぼ確実とは聞いてましたが決定したようで。
で、サンパウロはその穴補強をしっかり埋めた・・・・・やっぱ上がしっかりしてるクラブですね。
よく売り払ってから考えるクラブには見ならって欲しいですｗｗ
＞Felipeは給料を８０％あげてもらったがそれでもサブキーパーMarceloよりは低い、って事で給料アップ拒否
そりゃ拒否するでしょう（苦笑）
今年一番頑張ってた人が控えより給料低いままなのは流石に納得できないはず。
この調子じゃ欧州飛んだり他のクラブに行く確率が高くなりそうかな。
フッチさん
なんかフッチさんがTVで解説したら面白そうだな?。なんて昨日の試合見ながら少し思いましたよ。
冗談抜きにそれなら中継凄く楽しめそう。
ともかくボカ勝ちました。
展開は少なかったけど、これ以前の試合よりは遙かに楽しめました。
まあ「アジア対アジア」よりも「南米対アフリカ」が面白いのは当然ですが。
＞ボカのバルガス（インテルＶ選手）が退場に
見たことある選手だなと思ってましたが、あの退場したバルガスってやはり元インテルの選手の彼でしたか。
移籍したのは知ってたけどボカにいたんですね。
さて、今日はミランと浦和です。
決勝は是非ともボカにはミランを倒して優勝してほしいので、"今日は"ミラン応援しますｗｗ
いやあ、皆さん、盛り上がってますね。
Ventさん、
ボカの試合の解説ですか、はは、でも、あまり贔屓な解説は好きじゃないです。それこそ、「こら、パレルモ、下手くそ！」とか、言ってそう。
日曜は、実は、サヘル×パチューカ戦を生観戦しているし、サヘルはアフリカCL時点で、いいチームだと聞いていたから。
ブラジルのテレビ解説でいえば、９０年代までは、故Joao Saldanhaとか、Gersonとか、天然派がいて、「試合つまんねえなー」とか、マジで言ってた。笑
いまは、グローボの独占体制もあって、みんなクソ真面目に試合内容をつぶさに語ろうとする。あっしの永遠のアイドル、ファウカンも一役買ってるのね、涙。
バルガスはインテルでは短かった。もともと、ボカの活躍を買われて、インテルに来たけど、また、ボカに戻ってたとは、つゆ知りませんでした。昨年のバルサ戦では、後半投入の彼がパスを刻み始めて、インテルが勝機を見出したんだよなあ…
＞Felipeは給料を８０％あげてもらったがそれでもサブキーパーMarceloよりは低い、って事で給料アップ拒否
こういった情報を外部に流すこと自体、コリンチャンスとフェリッペを取り巻く環境に、大げさなショー要素を感じる。フェリッペのセービングに、大げささを感じる。単純に弾けばいいものを、すんごいジャンピングして、歓声を期待する。こういった選手が注目を集めるのもまた、コリンチャンスというクラブ。つまり、フェリッペ嫌い。
＞ジーコファンさん
ジーコといえば、フェネル祝チャンピオンズＧＬ突破！
これで、ジーコの悪口をさんざん言った、日本代表の一部サポたちも、考えを改めるかな…無理か。しかし、サッカーは結果がすべてですねえ。
＞Mjunozakiさん、
ブレーノ行っちゃったねえ。フェリッペに関しては、上に書いたとおりですが、フルミネンセの投資意欲はすごいことになってますね。芸術家ＦＷドドも獲得らしいですね。
サンパウロＦＣ時代のドド、憶えてますよ。あのまま、セレソンのトップに行くと思った。９７年ごろ：フランサ、デニウソン、アリスチザバウ、ドド…
・今日の浦和×ミラン戦、浦和が勝ったら、歴史的快挙です。浦和、勝っちゃえ！勝っちゃえ！ワシントン２ゴール！
ジーコファンさん、
言ってませんでしたっけ？僕はブラジル人です(二世）、でサッカー好き、日本語の練習もかねてここにたどりつきました。（笑）。
昨日のフェネル半分見ました。ブラジル人たちやLugano、久々に見れてうれしかったです。それでもジーコの監督としての力量はまだ僕には見えてきません。なにか特徴を見せて欲しいです。それでもグループ突破はお見事！
Ventさん、
試合は見れませんが僕もミラン応援します。その方がやっぱり決勝にはおもしろいですもんね。なんか浦和が優勝したとしても世界一というのはちょっと。。。浦和のファンの皆さんごめんなさい！
フッチさん解説してくれるかな？笑。
フッチさん、
浦和ｘミランの解説よろしく！笑。
ボカのパレルモ、もう３０何歳ですね。彼は本当に９番をイメージさせられます。デカイ、シュート強し、ゴール感覚、ポジショニングともに良し。弱点はスピードかな？
サッカー中継はGloboの他にBandeirantesがやっています。元CorinthiansのNeto、元審判に１人解説がおもしろいのもいます。Gersonなみに選手、監督、審判問わず出来が悪ければ悪口連発！見ていておもしろいです。時に興奮しすぎて怒鳴ったり、中継してる人ともおかまいなしに喧嘩口！試合がない時はサッカーのラジオ番組に出ては汚い言葉が出たりして時々注意もされますが。日本ではラモスさんが中継で汚い言葉を言った事があると一回聞きましたが。。。
サンパウロ時代のドド。綺麗なゴールばっかり狙っていました。それで簡単なゴールを結構外したのでよく批判されました。僕もその１人。笑。
あの頃の監督はParreira.
でも選手達は彼の事を嫌い、Mullerを筆頭にボイコット。結局Parreiraは辞任。あの頃のサンパウロは今のコリンチャンス程ではありませんがゴタゴタが結構あり、ブラジレイロン、リベルタドーレス、遠かったです。パウリスタは９８年にかちましたけど。。。
ではまた！
Ｍjunozakiさん
ブラジル人である事は知りませんでしたが、
このブログのコメントを見ていてブラジル在住である事
は想像しておりました（笑）。私も監督としてのジーコ
は、まだ発展途上だと思います。長い眼で見てやってください。
日本には、特に野球でよく言われる言葉ですが、（名選手名監督にあらず）と言う言葉があります。でも監督としても頑張ってほしいですし、よくやってる方だと思います。
フッチさん
情報ありがとうございます。
フェネル予選突破ですね。このまま突き進んでもらいたいです。
そうですね結果がすべてですから。
2部の住金を常勝軍団にしたり、いろいろ言われましたが、アジアカップも優勝しましたしね。
あ、ミランに1点入りました。テレビに集中します。
ミラン勝っちゃった。
というか、圧倒的な力の差でした。
勢いのあるサッカーの浦和があそこまで何もできないとは…とにかく、フィジカルの強さの差が、半端ではありませんでした。大人と中学生ぐらいの差。
やっぱ、凄いな。
Mjunozakiさん、試合の解説は、勘弁してください。sportsnaviサイトとか、読まれると、細かにあります。
http://sportsnavi.yahoo.co.jp/soccer/live/cwc_20071213_01.htm
ゴールシーンの状況だけいうと、後半、それまで亀さん戦法の浦和が、徐々に攻撃しはじめ、ちょっと流れが変わりそうなとき、
ボールが、ポンと左サイドに張っていたカカに。カカ、いとも簡単に（代表では俊足で知られている）坪井をスピードで抜き去り、エリア内にパス、セードルフ（こいつも実は、南米人）がどんぴしゃ合わせて、はいゴール。
あとはミランがうまーく、ボールを回して、体を使って、浦和の選手を吹き飛ばして、終了ー
欧州とアジアの差を歴然と感じた試合でした。
次は、身長では、さらに小さいアルヘン人たち。どうなるかねー
ま、南米最強だから、なんとか、なるでしょう。
・ジーコに関して、
これで、ＣＬベスト16までいったブラジル人監督は（たぶん）、ヴァンデルレイ・ルシェンブルゴ（レアル04-05）に次いで、2番目。これをブラジル・サッカーの快挙と言わずして、なんと言う？もし、ベスト８まで、進めたら、最初にＣＬのベスト８まで進んだ、ブラジル人監督だよ。
ジーコファンさん、胸張って、ジーコ応援してよ。
フッチさん
ありがとうございます。
トヨタカップ浦和負けちゃいましたね。
点差以上に実力差がありましたね。ポンテの欠場も
痛かったですね。
あとは、決勝でボカに期待です。絶対勝ちますよ。
上のネーム間違えました。ただのジーコファンです。
フッチさん
お久しぶりです
ええ！ パチューカとサヘルのとき国立にいたんですか？！
実はボクも行ってました。
ＪＦＡさんからの招待でしたけど笑
パチューカのアルヘンティーナ７番好きですね?
ＧＫ以外 １０人あんな選手だけ集めたサッカーが観たいですよ。
勝ち負け関係なく。
でもね
やっぱりトヨタカップは南米と欧州の一発勝負
平日の夜 国立。
仕事さぼって観にいく。
これに限る。
(* ^ーﾟ)ﾉ
・ジーコファンさん、
あっしも、フェネル観たさに、また、ＣＬネット契約しようかな。アレックス、ロベカル、デイヴィジ、エドゥ・ドラセナ、ルガーノ…
・ＫＥＮＢＯさん、
行ってたあ？ウェーブやりましたか、面白かったね。
ウェーブに夢中で、サヘルのゴールシーン見逃すとこだった。笑
結局、南米×ヨーロッパの決勝戦になりましたね。
ミランいやらしい、いやらしすぎる…
ピルロとか、インザーギとか、顔まで、嫌らしすぎる。といったら、怒られるな。
浦和を応援していた訳ではないけど、
Ｊクラブにとっては、素晴らしい経験だったのではないでしょうか。
世界レベルってのは、究極は、胸板の厚さとか、体重で吹き飛ばすとか、絶対的な体の強さがあって、
そこで、個々の技術が生きるんだなあ、と。日本人選手には、酷な条件、「どうやりゃあいいんだよ」という所まで悩み抜いて、頑張っていくしかない。
やっぱりミラン対ボカになりましたね。
ま、当然といえば当然ですが。
Ventさんには悪いですが僕は多少ミランを応援させてもらいます。
同じ南米ですが、ボカは最近サンパウロに屈辱を浴びせたので。。。笑。しかも僕はアルゼンチンではリーベルですから（練習ユニ持ってます！）
リケルメは好きなんで出ていればまだ応援したんですが。
ミランには元サンパウロのカカー、カフー、セルジーニョもいますしね。特にセルジーニョは僕の中ではロベカルについでセレソンのサイドを守って欲しかったですがブラジルの監督達はあんまり上がるサイドバックは嫌いなんでチャンスには恵まれませんでしたね。（現在のシシーニョやイウシーニョのように）。
ま、どっちみち面白い試合になればと思います。（僕は見れませんのでどうでもいいんですが皆さんは見れるので面白い試合になって欲しいです）
ではまた！
ミラン対ボカの試合になりましたね。
皆さん言うとおり見えてた結果でした。
まだまだ世界の壁は高く分厚い。
（これを良く分ってない日本人が多いのが困るが）
今回肌で味わえただけ良い経験だったでしょう。
まあレッズお疲れ様。
とにかく今は決勝戦です。
ボカに勝ってほしいけど、昨日の試合とか見ただけじゃ予想付かないですね。
もし1点でミランが逃げ切るようなサッカーしようとするなら、ボカ勝つかもと思ってます。
Ventさん、
日曜の試合は、たしかに、難しいですね。
ミランの「真綿じめ」戦法を、どうボカが打開できるか、でしょうか。
なんか、またＷＣの決勝戦のイメージがしてきた。今回は、カカやセードルフのよううな、タレントもいる。
ミラン優勝したら、また、「イタリア系」が勝ち誇るからなあ…
ボカ、気持ちで勝つ！
・Mjさん、ミラン応援するなら、はじめから、そう言えばいいのに。
Ventさん、フッチさん、
試合、明日朝８時、Globoでやります！今コマーシャルで流れました！早起き、早起き！見ます！
面白い試合期待してます！
ボカすぐに追いつきました。
レベルの高い試合は、見ていて楽しい。
テレビに集中です。
完敗でした。
ミラン４?２ボカ。
けど、いい試合だったな。
友人たちと酒屋で、一緒に観ていましたが、ミランの守備がいい、とみな絶賛してた。あの守備にカカの真ん中からのスパート。
エメルソンもカフーも久しぶりに観れたし。
南米もとうとう負けちゃったけど、しょうがねえ。来年はリベンジだ。
カカＭＶＰ。どうってこたねえ、この大会はやっぱり、南米選手の独壇場だ。
南米最強！南米最強！
やっぱり日曜の朝８時はきつかったです。。。一度は起きたものの途中で寝ちゃいました。まともに見たのは前半の最後だけでした。後でまたハイライトで見ましたけど。。。
やっぱり今年はカカーの年ですね。来年この調子でいき、パトが加わればよくなれるかな？ロナウド、怪我中々直らないですね。
ボカ、負けはしたけどパラシオス、いいとこ見せてくれました。
来年はサンパウロリベルタドーレスに勝って日本いけ！って。。。
フッチさん
残念でしたね、でもボカの選手の身のこなし、テク等は
南米特有の動きでテレビを見ていて楽しかったです。
また何名かの選手は、欧州のビッグクラブからオファー
があるんでしょうね。
ということで、みなさん、お疲れさまでした。
（あっしの戯れ言に付き合っていただいて、最後はべらんめえ口調になっちゃった…）
昨日はJリーグ、アウォーズ、今朝は、チューリッヒでFIFA２００７ガーラも行われましたし。
これで、欧州以外は、ひとまずお休みですね。
私たちを１年間喜ばせてくれるプレーヤーたちに、安らぎを。
移籍金でもめているプレーヤーたちには、お金を…フフ。
さて、そろそろ、あっしも欧州モードに復帰しようかな。
来週のリーガのクラシコ
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